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Okay. Thanks for explaining that.
One possible solution to this particular problem, and one that I believe I suggested a looooooong time ago when this issue was being discussed, was to begin new countries in d.iv. Each season the top 16 teams would advance until they arrived in d.i. So in the second year, there would be a d.iv and a d.iii. if more than 16 teams existed, the first 16 would advance to the new d.iii.

Edit: GM-somdetsfinest, disclosed a small detail in your post. No offence. I think you understand why.

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 2/1/2010 10:12:48 AM

Everybody starts with the same Season Ticket Holders (I think it was 300), but if you are born in Vth you dont have much changes after your first season. In a tiny country high division you make a huge boost and after the first preseason you make easily 5000 attendance at top prizes (even more if you start to build). This makes much more harder to increase our arenas in Spain, because we were born in most of the cases in Vth division. I only said this to reply to those who say that our "strategies were wrong".

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 2/1/2010 8:45:18 AM

you was to slow ;)

But i also think you should put good money in your arena, even if you start in a low division at least in the german fourth division it works pretty good(don't know about the 5th, but i beleive the differences should be small).

thanks for explaining. Crazyeye beat you to it.

Your speed is legendary...

One possible solution to this particular problem, and one that I believe I suggested a looooooong time ago when this issue was being discussed, was to begin new countries in d.iv. Each season the top 16 teams would advance until they arrived in d.i.

I suppose that the point why managers from small countries stays in the game is - they can begin in higher leagues and have an advantage on these which will start later. Is good to have here as much managers as possible, also as much countries as possible.

But as best I can tell, the complaint is "I can't try to win the B3, the league, and the cup at the same time". This has always been a fundamental design choice in BuzzerBeater, as I mentioned in the other megathread we have at the moment -- teams have to make choices. You cannot train optimally, perform in the league, perform in the cup, and perform in the B3. Is it easier to do all these in Japan than in Spain? Yes, because there are more teams in the top league where the best teams have a large advantage and might win without using their best resources.

That is not the complaint, Charles.

If I want to fight the B3 im forced to pass cup rounds, if I dont do it, I wont have the same enthusiasm as little countries contenders. In Spain you have 6500 users playing a competition of 8192 teams. That means that the 80% of Spanish cup contenders are active people (in Japan are 33 of 256, only 12,89% of the contenders, 87,11% bots), that means high posibilities of facing managers which play spending enthusiasm in the Spanish cup (sometimes CT since round 1-2), which force you to put good players in the cup, destroying game shapes. I played this year B3 at 80% of my true strength.
Also we are forced to TIE everything which sometimes means losing key matches against rivals of the league.
If we want to compete at 100% in the B3 our only option is to give league matches and focus in the cup and 1 league match/week. But this means losing lots of matches which risks the domestic league and has a very bad impact in the attendance and the economy of the club. If we go for the league and gave the cup we are also playing at the 80% of our strengths, as far as we lose the 3rd PIC option of the week.

And If I cant play the B3 at the 100% of my strengths, I wont fight for it. This year I lost by 1 in the court of the number 1 of the world (at least it was nº1 last week, now nº 3) with demential game shapes. I was very disappointed after the match.
I dont understand why I have to play with this disadvantages, a little country team can:

*Train 6
*TIE everything
*Pass cup rounds easily
*Have high game/shapes and enthusiasm without losing a single match

Is not only that is easier to access to the B3, as you said. They are playing a different B3.

I said that I wouldnt fight for the B3 next seasons, and that is a fact in the current conditions. In Spain a team never won ACBB and cup in the same year in 11 seasons, which speaks clearly about what kind of domestic competitiveness we have. I think that is a much more stronger challenge to be the first team that wins both ever than going for a devaluated and unfair competition like B3, where the HCA is a factor (10-2 to the local teams in 1/4 and 1/8, 6-2 and 4-0) and little country managers have full advantages.

Do you want a pair of realistic ideas to have a fair B3 and give prestige to the trophy?

* Avoid HCA in B3 (we are trying to find the best of the world, arent we?)
* Dont count the enthusiasm and the team spirit in this arcade games. With this little key detail the history of the B3 will change forever.

Little countries still will have some advantages, in terms of training and the fact that they can reduce salary while not playing the B3 and keep succeeding in domestic competitions. But big countries teams at least will be able to show their true power. [I really think that im not the 14 of the world : ), and trust me, some of my leaguemates (maybe 12 of 16, probably more) are top100 by far].

Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 2/1/2010 10:03:29 AM

* Avoid HCA in B3 (we are trying to find the best of the world, arent we?)
* Dont count the enthusiasm and the team spirit in this arcade games. With this little key detail the history of the B3 will change forever.

Very good and interesting ideas, indeed I would like to see that, especially no HCA, but I also see your point in not counting enthusiasm (for the sake of figuring out the match set it by default on 7 for all players) in B3.

*Train 6
*TIE everything
*Pass cup rounds easily
*Have high game/shapes and enthusiasm without losing a single match

I don't want to argue on little things, but although some may be true, they seldom occur at the same time, and if there are some teams that manage this, claiming it is the standard for all teams from small countries is in the extremes. I get your point, but just want to clarify this so participants in the discussion doesn't get mislead.

Say a new team is created in Greece and another one in Nippon/Nigeria whatever...

After 1 season,which is the better one??


You all know the answer,don't you??That's the problem and it need to be fixed somehow..


PS:How come none of the BB's have replied yet?This thread has reached 300+ posts already..

I think no HCA, and entu @5 would be great for B3.
Nice suggestion.

Last edited by Kukoc at 2/1/2010 1:01:30 PM

PS:How come none of the BB's have replied yet?

If you read the whole thread thoroughly you will discover that BB-Charles have replied with one of the longest answers I've seen him dedicate to a thread, even if their general rule is to read and follow a thread without interfering to allow as many views as possible to be presented. ;)