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Date: 2/1/2010 12:58:40 PM
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Say a new team is created in Greece and another one in Nippon/Nigeria whatever...

After 1 season,which is the better one??


You all know the answer,don't you??That's the problem and it need to be fixed somehow..


PS:How come none of the BB's have replied yet?This thread has reached 300+ posts already..

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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I think no HCA, and entu @5 would be great for B3.
Nice suggestion.

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PS:How come none of the BB's have replied yet?
If you read the whole thread thoroughly you will discover that BB-Charles have replied with one of the longest answers I've seen him dedicate to a thread, even if their general rule is to read and follow a thread without interfering to allow as many views as possible to be presented. ;)

From: Edju

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How come none of the BB's have replied yet?


Charles got fired?

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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If I had invest all my money in stadium, I would never promote that year to 4th division, and I would have to deal with atendances between 700 and 1500 for a pair of years.
I noticed that after my first arena upgrade that my attendance rose, even though I did not sell out before the upgrade. Meaning the % did not rise, but since I had a higher total seats, I sold more seats. This would mean that the attendance formula, to some degree, take (or at least took) into account the total size of the arena. The income will not come so soon in for instance Spain as in a smaller country, but it would come sooner than if it was not built at all, because when you have star players with a total salary of 200k (or an average of 10+) and you only have 5050 seats to offer, losing potential income.

The default maximum income for a starting arena is 65750$

Your first matches
1232, 772, 1656, 1439, 2464, 2499 and 2234
gave you an average attendance of 1765 (about 35%). Given the seats were distributed evenly you would have an income of 35% of 65750$=approx 23000$ + 50000$ for a total of 73000$ the first 4 weeks. It is no doubt lower than your average small country starting team (approx 20-30k lower), but it still does not negate the importance of building arena. As you mentioned (in my first quote from you) if you had invested all your money in stadium, you would never promote that seaon to 4th division. But you would have had 73000$x5=365000$, turned into bleachers (at 50$ each equals 7300 seats) with an income potential(based on starting average prices) of 148750$ ((4500+7300=12800$)x10=128000$)+(450x35$=15750$)+(50x100$=5000$)), Split into the 35% income you would earn approx 52000$= 29000$ more and over twice your starting income(except the 4 week supporting cash). It would take less than 4 weeks to earn back the invested money, less than 12 weeks with the worst attendance percentage you have recorded, some more if you consider the attendance is not linear. But still, you have the seats as a solid foundation to be able to afford more expensive seats like lower tier and courtside seats to make your team more secure from losing attendance since the bleachers are the seats most heavily affected by losses. Arena upgrades was on a wild wide scale race forcing teams that wanted to stay competitive in the future to build arena no matter what, resulting in the implementation of caps on arena we have today. By doing this they prevented the income to differ more between countries focusing only on arena on the upper scale of arena sizes. One of the main reasons was to support different possible tactics to succeed. On the lower end of arena however, it is an cornerstone for any team, And I can not stress the importance of building enough seats. I am not blaming anyone of beeing stupid or choosing "the wrong" tactic, but in retrospect we see that focusing heavily on arena gave many teams a head start. And I am not saying teams have neglected arena, but perhaps underestimated it slightly.

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I agree with your b3 suggestions. Of course, there is plenty of room to argue where the enthusiasm level should be set (a level of 5 would lead every game being 130-120).

From: JamesBond

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Thanks for pointing that out,I'm sorry.Can you give me the link to his reply??


PS:You still didn't answer my question though.

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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I noticed that after my first arena upgrade that my attendance rose, even though I did not sell out before the upgrade. Meaning the % did not rise, but since I had a higher total seats, I sold more seats. This would mean that the attendance formula, to some degree, take (or at least took) into account the total size of the arena.

Was it only after your first arena upgrade this happened? I seriously doubt that the arena formula takes into account the size of the arena other than the soft and hard cap (you cannot sell more seats than you have). Couldn't it have been that some factors changed as you upgraded your arena? Maybe you won a game, played a team with more STH?
I am very sorry if this is too much out of topic.

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Date: 2/1/2010 5:13:21 PM
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Was it only after your first arena upgrade this happened?
No, also after every consequtive upgrade. I seldom sold out arena before upgrading again. I have not played around so much with the ticket prices either. I lowered them quite early, since some german team presented the math of selling more seats at 9$ vs less seats at a higher price (It's long ago, and I don't remember exactly where or who)... It could have been other factors, but it would be great to know if this is (or was) indeed a factor (if so, big or small factor?) in the attendance formula.

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Date: 2/1/2010 5:35:14 PM
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I really doubt that upgrading you have more attendance. Sounds very ilogical to me.

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Date: 2/1/2010 5:45:35 PM
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I may be completely wrong. Or that I have mixed it up with the impact of lowered prices. Don't get why it kept rising as I built more without me changing the prices though... Maybe because I started very low.

Last edited by Svett Sleik (U21-Scout Norge) at 2/1/2010 5:46:44 PM

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