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Let me translate and explain what I posted on the ACBB forum:

In Buzzerbeater there are actually two kind of users:

Ideal: This online game, as any other, is designed for a community as the Spanish one, a macro game for a macro community; loads of users, loads of rivalry, loads of fun. Thus, there are coherently fixed economic rules. Those rules are based on Divisions (I, IIs, IIIs, IVs...). Every online game has this ideal purpose, for this type of users.

Accidental/Chance: Users whose country has/hasn't had rivalry, what has made it prone to create super-teams in a short period of time, world level teams, beacuase those "coherently fixed economic rules" have been always applied to both kind of players, obviously a mistake.

And then, it is said that accidental/chance users, if they were to lose the B3 they would not have much incentives. That's obvious too. That's why I suggest more continental competition among Africans, Asians... which would finally result in more and better rivals (more, above all, it does not matter whether are the best teams of those countries). Then, those champions and maybe runners-ups could play a proper B3.

I would still like to see examples of those awesome teams in paradises that compete with the top of the world and entered the game after season 4.

This team is still playing in the QFs (ranked 178): (40621) Is that a good example?

And believe me, all teams that have started after Season 4 have a hard time sniffing anything close to BBB, regardless of country.

Yes, I already mentioned that one (DH)

And believe me, all teams that have started after Season 4 have a hard time sniffing anything close to BBB, regardless of country.

And there we are, this was exactly what I meant. If the advantage in smaller countries really was THAT big, wouldn't they already have catched up with the elite then, in 7 full seasons?

Edit: Oops don't know why I named that team DH, should have been DB.

Also at a double check, this team changed names in between. Even this team starting in season 3;

In season 3, KBS made the semifinals of the playoffs in league Hanguk I.1

So that gets us back to zero. As you see, the current #1 of the biggest and maybe toughest country in the world, is quite a bit better than this team (ranked 14th vs 168th), while they started in the same season, although the spanish team should have had 'tough circumstances'

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/27/2010 4:03:13 PM

Didnt you say something about the underdogs? or i am missing something?

Is not about a distribution, at least I cant imagine a "fair" distribution, I would like to see that a brilliant manager (no matter from where he is) is able to win the B3.
That includes little countries, they should be able to face the best teams of the world if they optimize their strategies, using their chances with the enthusiasm, easy training, easy domestic wining and game shape advantages. That means, they should be able to do it if they are elite managers.
My feelings (and im not talking about any team, just looking at the BB-world situation and speaking in general) are that today you dont need to be necesarily an elite manager to win the B3 coming from a little country.

Today, none of Italy, Poland or Spain is in the B3 quarter finals (more than 15000 users between all them).

Also, quarter-finals distribution is more a HCA than ranking distribution, 6 of these teams played at home the previous round, and only 2 were visitors.

Sure it could be somewhat easier to play in small teams

Do you really think a team from a 4,000 users' community is playing a similar game along with one of a 100's? Then I think you must not have stopped to think about how easy it is and, mainly, how much work it implies to get to the top from different branches.

Edit: Sorry, it was for Patje-Bono.

Last edited by Pappa Flaah at 1/27/2010 4:07:00 PM

I see where this is going already. Bigger countries saying "yes" smaller ones saying "no".

I'd like to see some proof of your statements first than just guessing, since otherwise this will be an endless yes or no fight.

Nigera, 27 managers. Highest Ranked team; djembe (41287). World Rank: 86. Started in season 3
Hanguk, 19 managers. Highest Ranked team; Dragons Back (40621). World Rank: 178. Started in season 3
Spain, 6372 managers. Highest Ranked team; River Legends (78204). World Rank: 14. Started in season 3
Italia, 4938 managers. Highest Ranked team; Boston Celtics (26862). Word Rank: 34. Started in season 1

Now please show me the huge advantage in the smaller countries, since I can't seem to find them, since the best teams in the bigger countries are ranked higher than the teams in the smaller countries, while they play the game an equal or longer amount of time.

If there really was an (economic) advantage for the smaller countries, we would now see teams that started in season 6, 7, or whatever, (later than River Legends and Boston Celtics) dominate the scene. But we don't see these teams here, so my logic conclusion is that the advantage isn't that big as you guys think it is.

Please return with some information to show I'm wrong, just to make sure we don't keep yes or no-ing.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/27/2010 4:27:17 PM

Mm I get what you say. Alright, let me give you an example.

(77312) Started in season 3.

Next season, this team will be a IV in Spanish Community. Like this team, along with other big communities, more than 10,000 teams.

Why? I unfortunately have not been as skilled as River Legends, Boston Celtics or other ACBB or Italia Seria A. Not even as skilled as any II's of any "bigger" community.

And here, we have teams that with indisputable less work than me with great economic positions, loads of income, enormous stadiums, world level players, magnificient shapes and better enthusiasm.
Now, for example, the market. If I try to buy with my 2,000,000 a key player for me, the one I need, the one I made a market-movement (I sold 2 players, I needed this change) and thus, overpay with those 2,0 the key player, and a Barbados player, with two seasons in the game, makes it a 2,5 and I can go.

Really, stop to think the differences of playing in one side or the other one.

They can easily fix the enthusiasm thing just playing the BBB on arcade mode where the enthusiasm/game shape doesnt get involved.

Your TV contract is $ 160 726. Mine is 108k. Isnt enough for you? Give some chance to the small countries too. Dont go from the one side to the other...

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/27/2010 4:46:49 PM

The rank has nothing to do here. I also can say that they are in the B3 1/4 and we arent.
Im not talking about Djembe or Dragons, neither of Boston or me. Im talking about a global situation that I have explained here (and also by BB-mail to you, Patje) that put big countries contenders in disadvantages. And this is how I really feel it. Going further or being explicit with explanations talking about a team or another only will carry unpleasant debates.

And I agree with you, a yes Vs no debate wont clarify anything.