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I believe kozlodoev was traying to say is that potential caps are not position-dependent. So, it does not matter wheter your player is SF, PG or C.

However, there is another question over the air. What tell us about the potential formula -wich is not the one for salary- the observations maded and recorded by leyen?

BTW: Do you have something like a spreadsheet with the info of players skills around the moment that got capped?

Last edited by Zero, the Magi. at 11/5/2009 6:10:08 AM

I just say that after seeing hundreds of trainees, I can assure that the SF is the position that gets capped with less wage most of the times. You can see Allstars centers capped at 50k, PGs capped at 60k.. but SF (at least SFs with massive JS) are capped in the early 40s.

I dont know how I can explain what I say, im just talking about wages, not skills, for example: try to find an Allstar SF with 80k wage, I can find Allstar centers, PGs, SGs or PFs with 80k+, yes, they were trained after getting capped (also some SFs), but they capped with a higher salary and thats why they got a further wage. As the Allstar SF caps early (40-45k) most of the times even if they keep training cant pass the 70k limit. (I never saw an Allstar SF going further than 70k, in the other 4 positions you can find Allstar players around 100k).

And I agree with the fact that visible cap levels are not created equal, thats why the table has those minimum and maximum limits.

Regards.

The cap is soft, which means that it doesn't stop training, it just slows it down significantly. SFs with massive jump shots also suffer in training speed because of their, well, massive jump shots (training slows down as the trained skill becomes a runaway train). Additionally, some skills train faster than others, which by extension means that it will be easier to train capped players in certain skills (I would venture a guess that the easiest capped player to train are really tall centers).

BB-Charles has shared in the past that potential is a cap on a "salary-like" variable, which can be reached in different ways. There is no reason to think that this cap changes based on position. As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

BB-Charles has shared in the past that potential is a cap on a "salary-like" variable, which can be reached in different ways. There is no reason to think that this cap changes based on position. As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

Isn´t that also true for the position of a player, that it is a variable based on a "salary-like" formula, which can be reached in different ways. Using one formula for the cap, and not 5 diferent like for salary would result in different positions capping at different salaries without the possibility to uncap.

As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

if you always take the worst case like in the salary that won't happen ;) But a SF had other skillcombinations then a typical PG, so that you could reach the cap earlier with that skillcombos which makes a player to a sf then with the PG skill set.

Very interesting topic, and i am on the position to be able in 2 seasons, to prove (granted small sample) with 2 of my trainees. Both they have all star potential, with 1 player being 18 y/o SF, who is getting trained right now as a big man

Weekly salary: $ 4 435

DMI: 14300
Age: 18
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: atrocious Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful ↑ Free Throw: inept

And my 20 y/o C who is already very good player.

Weekly salary: $ 21 252

DMI: 238300
Age: 20
Height: 7'2" / 218 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: average
Driving: atrocious Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: average ↑ Free Throw: awful

His salary according bb salary calculator is right now up to 36k.
I will train them both for this season and the next as a big men. 2nd player needs just 5 pop ups to reach his soft cup something that am expecting to have on the next 1.5 seasons, and maybe earlier. Then i will switch my training to guards, and most probably the player 1 will get 1 position training, so i think i will have a good sample to answer the question, if the SF's cuped sooner than the C's with the same potential.

btw u can estimate the salary caps of the different potentials by doing a research on the trading list where u search for the highest salary...and estimate it with others.

that brings nothing because it is a soft cap, else i could show you an allstar with 180k salary, but i could tell you that 99,9% of the mangers would find the trainingspeed to slow to continue training to reach this level.

As long as you realize it is a soft cap, you can get good information from a transfer list search. Doing a search for 6th man, salary 9000+, you get 37 players, with only 7 above 125000, and only 2 above 15000. Meanwhile, you have 22 players between 10000 and 12500. Of course, you can't get an exact value from this, as you don't know if that is the top because people don't want to risk hitting the cap, or if people continue training for a while after hitting the cap before it becomes noticable, but it is an approximation you could use to narrow down further research.

if i do the same for allstars, you will notice the must guys around 20k is there the cap? Or is it around 40k, or is it around 190k? I think you need feedback about training for it.

There is no reason to think that this cap changes based on position. As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

I dont think that a player that gets capped can avoid his situation changing of position, my theory (and thats just speculation because I never saw a capped guy changing his position at Allstar level, the training is very very slow, and the age most of 22 probably) is that once a guy reach the cap, the guy activates a click to train slower the rest of his life : )

In other small potentials (benchwarmer, role player...), when this could happen (they are very weak and a simple training in JR can make a PG became a SG).. simply I didnt follow them very closely to see the reaction in the training. I would say that a capped guy wont be uncapped anymore, but potentials are a mystery and we dont know even close which is exactly the formula. We only know that is closely related to salaries.

When I talk about the SF "problem" (they get capped with minor salaries than the rest of positions is a simple observation, I dont know why it happens, simply.. it happens). I suggest everybody here to search some info about SF and compare their limits with the PGs.

Anyone knows an Allstar PG capped before the 50k? (I dont)



Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 11/6/2009 3:08:04 PM

Anyone knows an Allstar PG capped before the 50k? (I dont)

i have two of them in the teams(and selled the third one, who train best in this area), and i see several of them in the NT(or they just stopped training by them, so that they didn't have much more).

I think the first missed skillups i get short after the 40/45k limit

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/6/2009 3:07:34 PM