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Is not about a distribution, at least I cant imagine a "fair" distribution, I would like to see that a brilliant manager (no matter from where he is) is able to win the B3.
That includes little countries, they should be able to face the best teams of the world if they optimize their strategies, using their chances with the enthusiasm, easy training, easy domestic wining and game shape advantages. That means, they should be able to do it if they are elite managers.
My feelings (and im not talking about any team, just looking at the BB-world situation and speaking in general) are that today you dont need to be necesarily an elite manager to win the B3 coming from a little country.

Today, none of Italy, Poland or Spain is in the B3 quarter finals (more than 15000 users between all them).

Also, quarter-finals distribution is more a HCA than ranking distribution, 6 of these teams played at home the previous round, and only 2 were visitors.

Sure it could be somewhat easier to play in small teams

Do you really think a team from a 4,000 users' community is playing a similar game along with one of a 100's? Then I think you must not have stopped to think about how easy it is and, mainly, how much work it implies to get to the top from different branches.

Edit: Sorry, it was for Patje-Bono.

Last edited by Pappa Flaah at 1/27/2010 4:07:00 PM

I see where this is going already. Bigger countries saying "yes" smaller ones saying "no".

I'd like to see some proof of your statements first than just guessing, since otherwise this will be an endless yes or no fight.

Nigera, 27 managers. Highest Ranked team; djembe (41287). World Rank: 86. Started in season 3
Hanguk, 19 managers. Highest Ranked team; Dragons Back (40621). World Rank: 178. Started in season 3
Spain, 6372 managers. Highest Ranked team; River Legends (78204). World Rank: 14. Started in season 3
Italia, 4938 managers. Highest Ranked team; Boston Celtics (26862). Word Rank: 34. Started in season 1

Now please show me the huge advantage in the smaller countries, since I can't seem to find them, since the best teams in the bigger countries are ranked higher than the teams in the smaller countries, while they play the game an equal or longer amount of time.

If there really was an (economic) advantage for the smaller countries, we would now see teams that started in season 6, 7, or whatever, (later than River Legends and Boston Celtics) dominate the scene. But we don't see these teams here, so my logic conclusion is that the advantage isn't that big as you guys think it is.

Please return with some information to show I'm wrong, just to make sure we don't keep yes or no-ing.



Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/27/2010 4:27:17 PM

Mm I get what you say. Alright, let me give you an example.

(77312) Started in season 3.

Next season, this team will be a IV in Spanish Community. Like this team, along with other big communities, more than 10,000 teams.

Why? I unfortunately have not been as skilled as River Legends, Boston Celtics or other ACBB or Italia Seria A. Not even as skilled as any II's of any "bigger" community.

And here, we have teams that with indisputable less work than me with great economic positions, loads of income, enormous stadiums, world level players, magnificient shapes and better enthusiasm.
Now, for example, the market. If I try to buy with my 2,000,000 a key player for me, the one I need, the one I made a market-movement (I sold 2 players, I needed this change) and thus, overpay with those 2,0 the key player, and a Barbados player, with two seasons in the game, makes it a 2,5 and I can go.

Really, stop to think the differences of playing in one side or the other one.

They can easily fix the enthusiasm thing just playing the BBB on arcade mode where the enthusiasm/game shape doesnt get involved.

Your TV contract is $ 160 726. Mine is 108k. Isnt enough for you? Give some chance to the small countries too. Dont go from the one side to the other...

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/27/2010 4:46:49 PM

The rank has nothing to do here. I also can say that they are in the B3 1/4 and we arent.
Im not talking about Djembe or Dragons, neither of Boston or me. Im talking about a global situation that I have explained here (and also by BB-mail to you, Patje) that put big countries contenders in disadvantages. And this is how I really feel it. Going further or being explicit with explanations talking about a team or another only will carry unpleasant debates.

And I agree with you, a yes Vs no debate wont clarify anything.

Bringing the discussion to the B3 is what is making you blind to this problem. The amount of users that play the B3 is very limited and the managers from former small countries have clearly dominated the competition.
But new teams in small countries and new teams in large countries are currently playing a different game.

Look at these two teams from Việt Nam:
(207826) playing since 11/06/2009 - Arena 14010 - Balance Transfers $ -3 409 111
(207815) playing since 25/06/2009 - Arena 20000 - Balance Transfers $ -1 550 300

They started last june and one has been able to save 3.4 millions to buy players. The other one has already 20000 seats in his arena.

On the other side, this team of one friend of mine who is very active in the game:

(76893) playing since 15/07/2008 -Arena 6500 - Balance Transfers $ -237 397

He started to play in july of 2008, so almost one year of difference. His economic balance is ridiculous compared to that of the two other teams, and his arena is only 6500. But when he wants to buy a player or hire a staff member he has to deal with those other rich managers.

Of course this game is not only about economy, and it takes some time to learn how the game engine works. That's why they are not yet fully competitive. But if I move to one of this small countries and apply for a BuzzerBeater team, you can be sure that I would be very competitive in 3 seasons or less depending on the time I want to spend. I´m talking about me, but the same for Leyendinha or AlexRepetti. If one of them goes to live to Barbados, you can say goodbye to the B3 in a few seasons.

It is unfair since the season 3 I'm playing buzzerbeater, and only 2 have been able to achieve promotion, and have an income of 240k is not fair that a person with greater inexperience achieve greater reward, and therefore I can not access the level players because these teams have greater buying economically.

The game is intentionally designed so that optimal training and optimal lineups for current games are at odds. If you could do both optimally at the same time, it would make it quite hard for teams that are behind to catch up, after all.

Quoted message: (125704.55).

I don´t think the main problem with small/large BB-countries is the B3 competition, although obviously the underlying problem is also affecting to the competitiveness of the big countries participants.
In Spain, we have the feeling that we are not playing the same game, compared to users in small countries. At least the same rules are not applying for everybody.
The economic advantage has already been addressed partially with the last changes. But there is still a difference that is frustrating many users in Spain when they try to hire a Staff member or buy a player and they have to face a bidding war against some of these users.
But there is also a training advantage which is related to the quoted BB-Charles post. They can do an optimal training at the same time of being fully competitive in their cup and league championship. In addition they can keep high their enthusiasm without problems. Game Shape is also more easily kept because they don´t need their best players to win the local matches.

and i hope you praise god, that you could play BB with a real competition, which in my eyes makes it funny not boring.