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As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

if you always take the worst case like in the salary that won't happen ;) But a SF had other skillcombinations then a typical PG, so that you could reach the cap earlier with that skillcombos which makes a player to a sf then with the PG skill set.

Very interesting topic, and i am on the position to be able in 2 seasons, to prove (granted small sample) with 2 of my trainees. Both they have all star potential, with 1 player being 18 y/o SF, who is getting trained right now as a big man

Weekly salary: $ 4 435

DMI: 14300
Age: 18
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: respectable

Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: mediocre
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: inept
Driving: atrocious Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: pitiful ↑ Free Throw: inept

And my 20 y/o C who is already very good player.

Weekly salary: $ 21 252

DMI: 238300
Age: 20
Height: 7'2" / 218 cm
Potential: allstar
Game Shape: strong

Jump Shot: inept Jump Range: atrocious
Outside Def.: atrocious Handling: average
Driving: atrocious Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: prolific
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: average ↑ Free Throw: awful

His salary according bb salary calculator is right now up to 36k.
I will train them both for this season and the next as a big men. 2nd player needs just 5 pop ups to reach his soft cup something that am expecting to have on the next 1.5 seasons, and maybe earlier. Then i will switch my training to guards, and most probably the player 1 will get 1 position training, so i think i will have a good sample to answer the question, if the SF's cuped sooner than the C's with the same potential.

btw u can estimate the salary caps of the different potentials by doing a research on the trading list where u search for the highest salary...and estimate it with others.

that brings nothing because it is a soft cap, else i could show you an allstar with 180k salary, but i could tell you that 99,9% of the mangers would find the trainingspeed to slow to continue training to reach this level.

As long as you realize it is a soft cap, you can get good information from a transfer list search. Doing a search for 6th man, salary 9000+, you get 37 players, with only 7 above 125000, and only 2 above 15000. Meanwhile, you have 22 players between 10000 and 12500. Of course, you can't get an exact value from this, as you don't know if that is the top because people don't want to risk hitting the cap, or if people continue training for a while after hitting the cap before it becomes noticable, but it is an approximation you could use to narrow down further research.

if i do the same for allstars, you will notice the must guys around 20k is there the cap? Or is it around 40k, or is it around 190k? I think you need feedback about training for it.

There is no reason to think that this cap changes based on position. As a matter of fact, this would result in players getting uncapped, or capped worse by virtue of changing positions, which has never been reported.

I dont think that a player that gets capped can avoid his situation changing of position, my theory (and thats just speculation because I never saw a capped guy changing his position at Allstar level, the training is very very slow, and the age most of 22 probably) is that once a guy reach the cap, the guy activates a click to train slower the rest of his life : )

In other small potentials (benchwarmer, role player...), when this could happen (they are very weak and a simple training in JR can make a PG became a SG).. simply I didnt follow them very closely to see the reaction in the training. I would say that a capped guy wont be uncapped anymore, but potentials are a mystery and we dont know even close which is exactly the formula. We only know that is closely related to salaries.

When I talk about the SF "problem" (they get capped with minor salaries than the rest of positions is a simple observation, I dont know why it happens, simply.. it happens). I suggest everybody here to search some info about SF and compare their limits with the PGs.

Anyone knows an Allstar PG capped before the 50k? (I dont)



Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 11/6/2009 3:08:04 PM

Anyone knows an Allstar PG capped before the 50k? (I dont)

i have two of them in the teams(and selled the third one, who train best in this area), and i see several of them in the NT(or they just stopped training by them, so that they didn't have much more).

I think the first missed skillups i get short after the 40/45k limit

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/6/2009 3:07:34 PM

Are you sure that it wasnt an age problem?

Also take care that a player can have a wage of 45k in the middle of the season (is calculated when the season starts) but his true virtual wage can be more than 50k.

with qualtinger is was close after his 21 birthday, three longer ups then normal* before the third one with massiv sub before. Schwartz startet slowing down short after him, so that i sold him for the U21 team. Rocha who is competing for a place in the portugese Nationalteams, also trouble to improve for more then a season and if i look on his competition in the portugese NT i would say it isn't just him.

* maybe four if you consider the one before his birthday to this who takes a bit longer then normal, the birthday salary was 43k with start of his 22 he was on 47,5k



Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/6/2009 3:27:52 PM

When I talk about the SF "problem" (they get capped with minor salaries than the rest of positions is a simple observation, I dont know why it happens, simply.. it happens). I suggest everybody here to search some info about SF and compare their limits with the PGs.

Observationally, you identify "capped" as a "slowdown in training speeds". There are various reasons why training may slow down. I have no evidence that SFs cap any differently from other positions -- using your logic, my star SF should have capped "way below" the normal 35k cap for stars, He has an actual salary of above 20k and is definitely not capped.