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it was supposed to be an answer to Huzzel
ratings arent good example for him

it is way easier to train centers, cause u only have to train 4 skills, compared to 6 skills for a guard. Thats one reason why so many decided to train centers.

I have heard this hundreds of times and I still disagree with it.

SG do not need more skills than C.
PF need at least one skill more than C (JS)
PG do indeed need more, I would say at least 5 (although a PG without great shooting can still perform very well).

And do not forget that guards do already train faster (ask a NT coach) and that handling and driving train one-another.

And do not forget that guards do already train faster (ask a NT coach) and that handling and driving train one-another.

i dont need to. I read the rules , so I konw that one trains the other 80%. 80% is more then a normal secondary training, however it is not that it is one skill. anyways

SG do not need more skills than C.

ask the community what the community thinks a Sg needs. Most will say the need 6 skills. I would agrree. they would as well say a center only needs 4. u might add some secondary skills for centers. true but what about those secondary skills for guards (reb. IS)

I don't agree with that.
Of course everyone has an own opinion and this is mine;

SG has 3 mainskills (JS, JR and DR) and 3 secondary skills (PA,OD and HD)
PG has 3 mainskills (PA,OD and HD) and 3 secondary skills (JS, JR and DR)
C has 3 mainskills (IS,ID and RB), 1 important sideskill (SB) and 2 secondary skills (JS, DR)

A point guard don't need to be a prominent shooter, he can still perform well without shooting skills, he will boost the defense and the offensive flow.
If you want to use a C as a PF then he would use way more of his JS and DR, since most teams are using C's as a PF they need decent skills there too.

Don't you think it should even out over time, all players have important skills and important other skills.
I didn't mention PA as an important skill of a C, my all star center got a nice passing level and he is in the toplist of assist per game. So yeah, the question is, what's important?

I do think it's too easy to say inside players need only 4 skills, and mainly guard trainers will say that

I have read everything and the point is that inside trainers are not doing things properly, but in my opinion the game is absolutely balanced.

Everybody is trying to have monsters inside, training just ID, IS and RB, wich are the skills that increase the salary a lot, no one trains SB or even JS, they are not making hybrids.

If a shooting guard trainer starts to train ONLY JS,JR an OD he will be in the same problems, but SG trainers are also training Handling, Driving and passing, wich dont increase a lot de salary.
A lot of PG trainers are also training a lot of weeks JS and JR, wich are not habilities that increase a lot the salary for a PG.

Outside trainers are training combined skills, choosing habilities for a PG and a SG and training all of them, Center trainers are just training all the time the same, they see how the salary works, because now it can see easily how it works, but they are still training the same, ID, IS and RB, everything is going to be easier for them if they make Hybrids, if they dont, they wont survive much more with those players, if i train to a SG only JS, JR and OD i will finish like them, outside trainers are training slowly because they are making hybrids combining the 6 outside habilities, at this moment in the game inside players are more advanced in their training that outside players, that are training in a much more balanced way.

The question is...

Why lots of the inside trainers (not everybody) just power up ID, IS and RB despite they know they wont keep the pace???

If you want to use a C as a PF then he would use way more of his JS and DR, since most teams are using C's as a PF they need decent skills there too.

sorry i don't get your point there
if you want to use a C as a PF then those skills are important for PF's, not for centers

A center can be trained in JS, passing an Shot Blocking and he can play as a center.

They are very important secundary skills for a center.

Well, since the discussion went to the 4 skill vs 6 skill ground, I thought it would be nice to find wages of guards that have only 4 skills trained (there are quite a few on the market)
I found this guy: (228686)
He adds up 40 on his 4 primarily trained skills, and carries a 13k wage
My center adds up 42 and carries a 37k wage
My other center adds up 36 and carries a 20k wage

If we consider only the best 3 skills (because people say C trainers train only 3 skills)
The guy I found: 32 and 13k
Center n1: 35 and 37k
Center n2: 32 and 20k

This was a pretty fast thing to do, I'm pretty sure anyone can find dozens of examples all around, which brings back the point that has still been ignored by most people defending the wage system carried out right now: centers have higher salaries even if they're less effective and even if they add up less skills total.

There's just no way this is right.

Last edited by LA-André at 3/23/2008 12:09:00 PM

You left the last number of de id, the guy that you are speaking about has this id (2286861)

And thats the big problem, how can you say that handling is a primary hability for a SG? This is a nonsense.

The salary increase for a SG happens when you combine JS, JR and OD, those are the 3 skills you have to take into account.

By the moment, they are not really much SG that have a triple proficience, not even in the market. Try to find them, not even one.

Look what the centers with those primary skills are

(2671723) ---> 15k

And with a few less primary skills..

(2455651) ---> 10k
(902188) ----> 9k
(2274834) ----> 12k

And you can find much more, but i am not going to copy-paste all the transfer list. Do you think really that if you put to these guys a prolific in JS and SB they are going to earn 25k??

There is a NT that trains to his SG the 3 primary habilities (JS, JR and OD). His name is Italy, they dont train JUST those 3 habilities, but they have spend lots of weeks training JS, JR and OD.

Look at this players.

(668688) ----> 19,5k
(752572) ----> 19k
(676015) ----> 22,5k

This thread has nonsense, i repeat it and the BBs can repeat it again.
The only thing that happens here is that SG trainers are stepping up PG habilities, and the PG are also training SG habilities. However, people who train centers, they JUST train center habilities, and that makes the wages to increase in this way for them.

Conclusion: outside players are not as developed in their primary skills as the inside players are.
End of the debate.

Try to start training secundary skills or you will lost your players, as easy as that ;)

Regards.

End your post, don't end the debate. It's not up to you.
As it's also not up to you to decide what's primary skill and what's not.

Unfortunately there aren't enough C examples at market to contrast with the Guard I mentioned. The only example I found of a C close enough to his skills adding at the primary skills you chose was a guy that added up 29 vs. Pablo Cubides 30, salary was at 15660 vs 13000, which is still a significant distortion.

Now the other point is: why doesn't salary increase accordingly to training, independently of if its vertical (as is happening with Cs) or horizontal (as with Gs)?

It isn't an advantage to have a very vertical player vs. a very horizontal player, so why should it be more expensive?

Notice that I agree to disagree at the first point, I still think Cs are making more money than Gs even if they have similar levels all around (though I agree that in general Cs are more vertical right now than guards). But this still doesn't get to the point in bold.