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From: Nick

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Date: 1/23/2015 5:29:45 PM
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I would definitely like to hear why any somewhat uneducated voter (like me) would want to stray away from the winning path for a candidate with little/lesser offsite experience?



You should vote for whoever you think can do the best job. Whether its mars, phyr, me or any of the other candidates. I think you should vote for me because i believe i can and will do the best job. Maybe phyr and mars are more active on the offsite and I'm a newcomer, however i have been active here on buzzerbeater for about 14 seasons in between two teams, with a small break in between due to lack of internet. I have experience, and I believe i am the best choice for the job, but it is a democracy for a reason, so vote for whoever you think would do the best job.

From: Phyr

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Date: 1/23/2015 7:18:04 PM
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I dont believe that the U21 manager has to come from the offsite. I would want the U21 manager be the best manager possible. There are a ton of real good managers who know how to train and play BB who are not active at the offsite.

At the same time, unless you are training a u21 player, Its really diificult to help out the U21 team unless you are on the offsite. Do you really want a manager that has done no work helping out the u21 program to become u21 manager? USA have built an incredible system on the offsite that has made me a better manager. Any u21 manager would be stupid not to continue using the offsite.


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Date: 1/23/2015 7:45:00 PM
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I think you guys missed the point of Spoonerific's question. Sometimes training a U21 is not in the best interest of the manager. I would never tell a 60 TSP HOF 18 year old's manager to train for U21. U21 training is very primary heavy and you would never reach that players full promise if you go the U21 path. You can't advise a manager to do something that is bad for his team.

For a new manager, if I get the impression that they are clueless about training I would encourage them to sell. Getting the 2-3 million in cash for a guy like that would be better for the owner then to keep a trainee that they would never be able to train to their full potential.

If the manager seems like they could train him properly, I would advise him train secondaries. OD/PA for a big and IS/ID for a guard. No one wants to train a 22-23 year old out of position so you have to do it early.

For the record, I advised tough today to train his 50+ HOF 18 year big he bought to 12 OD and 14 PA. Unless you train a SF or get very high level trainer, its very difficult to train secondaries on a U21 player and it can waste a guys potential.

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Date: 1/23/2015 7:47:38 PM
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In my opinion, the U21 manager responsibilities basically encapsulate four main areas:

1) Scouting (both players and teams)
2) Tactical knowledge
3) Community
4) Roster knowledge (I see this as taking scouting information and interpreting it)

How would the potential coaches plan to fully utilize and/or more preferably advance these areas. The USA has great scouting, but do any of you have knowledge of programs like Excel to help organize data? How have your personal team's shown your ability to select tactics based on the strengths of your and the other team? The USA has a good community, but how do you plan on making this better, pushing it further, and are you committed to this? How would you approach selecting players that are on the fence for making the roster and/or players that need to be called-up?

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This is why you got my vote.

What's best for U21 isn't always best for the player, owner and potentially the NT. For a D4 or D5 team secondary training is the best approach IMO. OD which is needed by everyone as well as PA and HND. So glad I'm not alone in this idea. At 20 or 21 train main skills for 4+ seasons and then smile.

Will that help the U21... probably not but will the US have a future world class star... most likely.

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Date: 1/24/2015 11:05:24 AM
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I presented my scouting and mentoring plan in my speech. In addition, I have a professional understanding of excel. I am in the education field, and one of my jobs to run the administration of state-wide exams at a large high school. Next week I am going to be administering over 3500 exams to 1800 students. Excel is the primary way I organize this. Organizing the top prospects of each U21 class will be a piece of cake, compared to what I have to do for work.

How have your personal team's shown your ability to select tactics based on the strengths of your and the other team?


On the club level, my teams primary goal is to train John Okobi, which requires a very unique training plan. Training can hurt your teams ability to win, so I try to pick tactics that will maximize my trainees effectiveness in a game for whatever position he is playing. The advantage of the club team is that you can then buy your 3-4 other starters for the specific tactic that you choose for your trainee, cover any holes your trainee has, and defensive switch if needed. These things take alot of the pain out of training. For example, if I had a guard that I was giving a season of inside training I would build an outside/patient team.

How would you approach selecting players that are on the fence for making the roster and/or players that need to be called-up?

Call ups are one of the biggest managerial decisions for the U21 managers. The callup has to be able to play the tactic you would like to play that week, but you also need to consider the GS and minutes history especially early on in the tournament. You don't want to call up a 9 GS guy to play in the first round only to have him be in 7 GS the rest of the tournament.

From: E.B.W.

To: Phyr
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Call ups are one of the biggest managerial decisions for the U21 managers. The callup has to be able to play the tactic you would like to play that week, but you also need to consider the GS and minutes history especially early on in the tournament. You don't want to call up a 9 GS guy to play in the first round only to have him be in 7 GS the rest of the tournament.


This is an amazing point. In both my terms during the Worlds seasons, I practically wasted a call-up spot and it was never mentioned as the USA won the Gold medal both Worlds, but it was bad on my part. The two guys I am talking about is Wade Perry for s27 (He played a total of 7 minutes for the U21 NT that season) and Juan Downing for s29 (played in only 3 games, twice for just reserve minutes of 5 and 7). In both cases, we had a few other call up options that we could have used, but I did not do a very good job of making a decision off of past minutes and GS. Call up spots are so valuable and to waste them is a big problem. Luckily it didn't bite the USA in the butt either time.

My question is fairly simple:

As the current U21 NT coach until the Election is over, I like to see which managers take an interest in how things are run as the manager and what should be expected as well as how to help out and run the U21 NT. Phyr has certainly reached out to me and asked questions and has constantly been involved with the U21 NT. In my eyes, Phyr is the most qualified and if you are not voting for him, you better have a strong reason as to why. My question to the Candidates (Phyr does not have to respond) is why should I, and everyone else not vote for Phyr, when has has been the most committed to the U21 NT process up to this point?

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From: fewmit

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Downing. Grrr...

I gotta second EBW if it's worth anything. While I don't doubt that other folks running could very well be very intelligent and hardworking U21 coaches, Phyr is the only one I've seen contribute to past U21 planning and demonstrate publicly a good understanding of the ins and outs of U21 play. I've voted for Phyr.

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