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there is an Australian team experimenting with training big man skills on shorter players
might give you an idea of what Ur looking at for training

i cant find the thread, but i have a link to a Google spreadsheet and have been watching the progress he is making
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AgiIAK1Xty1ydEdha...

Thanks for this link. I'll look at it closely and see.

since this is about SFs....there is a SF in the upcoming draft who has "A" potential....but is 7 foot tall....i was wondering is that going to hurt him as a SF and if i draft him would it be better to use him as a SF or PF/C maybe?

You'd hope he's an over-sized SG with good inside skills, so you can train him as a PF.

It would be too difficult to train a 7 footer as a SF especially his OD which is one of the most important SF skills. Like iwen said though he may make a great PF trainee.

Great post there. I find myself in a pretty similar situation. Didnt see a way to win my league so I decided to start over. Sold everybody and took a couple of young SF prospects one of which is local that I am gonna be keeping and the other will be sold. Had outbid a china farm team as well for my rookie. The only difference is that I am tanking the season which is a risky risky business but the money is so so good. Not sure if I'd go further down to d3 next season but I guess thats for another topic.

As SF training goes-its really a real pain. The way I see it he will finally settle on the SF position at the age of 24 or something close and still he wont be "the perfect SF" but still a very solid one. Using a lvl6 trainer just like you so I would be curious about how far ahead is your player at the age of 20. If you're willing to share you can send me a mail as I got loads of questions about developing SFs and the team in general.

I´m training a SF in the third season now, he was my own draft. I can´t understand, why most of you are frustrated about the training. I started with one round of everything, so i could see how the sublevel was (a very successfully enterprise). Next, i trained him in the Pointguard-Skills (passing, od, driving). After season one, he could start at the 2 without high disadvantages (first half of the season in the cup), and because of his inside-skills, he was a very good option to play Look-Inside and meanwhile train him in range.

In the offseason he had to play inside, to push him a few stages in the inside-skills, focused in inside-shot. Now, in season three, he already can play almost everywhere, i just have to put his defense to 2 or 3, offense is no problem. I think i´m playing a very successfully season, and my 20 yo trainee is no obstacle, but rather U21-player.

There is only one point SF-training sucks: If u have a very good SF, trained this SF for years, u get no reasonable price for this player. At the moment, my league opponent tries to sell his national-player Uyigarli, this player has a price evaluation about 1,25 Mio., which is really ridiculous.

(Pls apologize my bad english, school is some years ago ;) )

The TPA for Uyigarli is that low because he is a rounded Player .. I gues there aren't many Players like him and the TPA takes "similar" Players to compare him .. and most of them won't have Inside Skills which are nearly as good as his ;)

Tough I would never sell a Player like Uygarli, he is a great Player and most likely responsible for most if his teams merchandise ;)

Great post, I have thought about starting a SF project myself but never had the opportunity, players or patience to do so.
Like everyone has said, there are a few ways to get these top SF, one is thru training (at least 6-7 seasons of training) or by paying millions (around 4mil). Good SF's are rare to find on the market but they are around.

So to train a SF you will need an 18 yr old trainee, thats going to cost around 1.2mil

You will need a decent trainer...
level 5 - thats going to cost you about 300k up front and 20k per week.
level 6 - 1mil up front and 20k per week.

20k per week over 7 seasons = 20k x 14 weeks x 7 seasons = around 2mil

So total costs to train a complete SF would amount to something like 3.5mil.

That is why I just didn't bother with training a SF and went out and bought a 4mil SF instead. Only because I never had the patience to train a SF cos I know the pain and sacrifices to train one =P

i think ur cost estimation is a bit not very accurate:

So to train a SF you will need an 18 yr old trainee, thats going to cost around 1.2mil

with 1.2mil u can buy a top 18 SF prospect with high potential, but for an SF the potential needs not to be an MVP and it cost you much less if u accept that ur trainnee is about 4-5 skills lower than the top ones, which should take u half a season longer to train him to attain the same height

this is my trainnee. his skills are quite gd in my opinions. he only cost me $135000. more importantly, he's from a small country and surely he'll be an U21 with 2-3 seasons training:

Small Forward
Owner: Red Red Rose

DMI: 9500
Age: 18
Height: 6'6" / 198 cm
Potential: perennial allstar
Game Shape: average
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: average
Driving: respectable Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: inept Inside Def.: average
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: awful Free Throw: average

Experience: atrocious

You will need a decent trainer...
level 5 - thats going to cost you about 300k up front and 20k per week.
level 6 - 1mil up front and 20k per week.

20k per week over 7 seasons = 20k x 14 weeks x 7 seasons = around 2mil

but for this part, u underestimate the cost. the salary rise of a trainer is large. when u first buy him, he cost u 20k per week. but 7 seasons later, he may cost u 60k-70k per week and u may better buy another trainer...

personally i am for training SFs. coz they sell for a high price. and dont forget u should at least train 3 SFs at the same time. so after 6-7 seasons training, u can sell 2 of them which gains u 8-9 million and keep the best one. then with 8-9 million u can basically buy 4 top players for the other 4 positions and have a championship team.

and for myself, i rejoin this game simply coz i enjoy the process of training an SF (and the pride to have one as well). and i don't care about staying in division 4 in the next 5-6 seasons ^^

wow thats not a bad trainee for only $135k. good height, good range of medium level skills, pity he is not from Hong Kong!

It is true that a SF don't need high potential, world class SF these days max out around 90k salary. But you will need at least $1.2mil if u wanted an 18 yr old with the right skill set to begin training with.

but for this part, u underestimate the cost. the salary rise of a trainer is large. when u first buy him, he cost u 20k per week. but 7 seasons later, he may cost u 60k-70k per week and u may better buy another trainer...

awesome so you agree that training a SF will cost a lot more then the 3.5mil I estimated =P

Yes you can also be training another 2 SF in the mean time as well and sell them for a nice profit.. but I'll be training 3 guards or centers to sell as well.

There are many paths to a true great SF, just like there are many ways to play this game =P All paths taken are correct as long as you enjoy the game ^^