BuzzerBeater Forums

BB Global (English) > S55 news update! Possible age based increased chance for injuries on players playing full matches

S55 news update! Possible age based increased chance for injuries on players playing full matches

Set priority
Show messages by
This Post:
22
312180.56 in reply to 312180.51
Date: 10/15/2021 9:53:16 AM
Nittany Lions
II.1
Overall Posts Rated:
6262
Second Team:
Crystalline Cohomology
As the manager of a relatively new team, the debate on playing a 5-man rotation or an 8-man rotation is less relevant to me; instead, I am way more concerned about the impact of the current training system.

TL;DR: To release the trainees from being forced to play entire games, 1) relax the 45+ minutes constraints from 18 and 19-year-old players to all trainable players; and 2) give the managers to better control the game minutes among players. At the bare minimum, please allow the coaches to stick with their original rotations after the garbage time.

For conciseness, I will assume the team is on a single position training. Double position training should be more or less the same though.

For the current meta, I believe that most managers want to keep three trainees when we are running a single position training system. If the three trainees are equally important, the optimal solution is to make them all play 48 minutes.

In the past, most of us are content to have the three players each play on an entire game. But what if this is no longer possible?

I believe that the most natural solution is as below. Suppose the three players are A, B, and C.
Saturday: A as the starter, B as the bench.
Tuesday: B as the starter, C as the bench.
Thursday: C as the starter, A as the bench.

But, do they all get 48 minutes in this system? No. There are variations on the game minutes share between each game, even if you choose to "Strictly follow the depth chart". Despite the fact that it is impossible to have players sub in at the exact same time each game, the major reason is that in some games, subs played longer than usual, due to the garbage time.

Therefore, if the goal is to approximate the current meta while enforcing players not to play the entire games, we need a "slack factor", which means to guarantee full training effect even when the player did not play 48+.

Currently, there was an update that guarantees full training for players of 18 and 19 years old who play 45+ minutes. This is not enough for two reasons.

i) The training cycle is way longer than two years. Managers will train an HoF until he is 30 or so.
ii) The variation between game minutes share is way greater than 3 minutes. When choosing "Strictly follow depth chart", the starter/bench minutes split to about 36/12 in a close game, while in one-sided games it is about 24/24.

Therefore, I will personally suggest guaranteeing full training for players under 30 who played 42+ minutes.

In addition, we need to have a way to control the minute share in a lopsided game, so that a trainee played as a starter can stay longer on the court. I have seen many good suggestions in the forum, and here are some of them:

i) (Maybe simpler to implement) Add an option for substitutions, to allow the coach to "Strictly follow the depth chart, even after garbage time". This should largely stabilize the variation on game minutes and make things more predictable.
ii) (Maybe more advanced) Let the manager strictly decide how long each player should play. Players going after that preset threshold will be benched no matter what.


Hope we will reach a better consensus between training-oriented teams and strength-oriented teams.

This Post:
11
312180.57 in reply to 312180.48
Date: 10/20/2021 10:35:17 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
305305
Why are you so allergic to revert Marin's mistakes?

Even Marin himself acknowledges that they are mistakes!

This Post:
1111
312180.58 in reply to 312180.1
Date: 10/25/2021 6:04:22 PM
River Legends
IV.14
Overall Posts Rated:
12131213
In my opinion, an adjustment of the minutes of the starters with 8-9 stamina is needed. A world class player in his 44th minute is playing much worser than a world class back up, but the GE will always pick the starter. Right now, the best possible performance in a position is with a world class with 6 stamina in the starter position and a world class sub as a backup, wich works much better than a world class with 9 stamina with the same sub, just because of how the GE will distribute the minutes, which is a nonsense.

Even if a 9 stamina player performs decently right now, decreasing a little bit the performance curve of 8-9 stamina players and let the starters with high levels of stamina rest good minutes when they have a sub sounds like a good solution to me, you will see how the 7-8 player rotation teams will crush that 5 players teams with no backups. The entire injury issue sounds like a bad solution to a bad GE work, wich will mean that we will have both bad things at the same time if all this is implemented.

This game has very few bad thing, but they should be fixed in a way that this game deserves, hope you will have time to do it.

Regards.

This Post:
11
312180.59 in reply to 312180.2
Date: 10/28/2021 8:38:22 AM
Spartan 300
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
52555255
Second Team:
Spartan Kids
I am afraid that in top games, team will still have to use short rosters and injury might decide who wins.
The game result might be determined by lucky.

This would be the worst move ever in the game. Injuries and luck could decide lot of games, this should be a hard no go for BB.

The teams with 5-6 players are already punished, because its harder to have a good GS when your players play the whole game almost every time.

Even then, they decide to make those teams get more penalties with a much stronger stamina impact in late game, okay.

Is that not enough?
Say no to more injuries, no one like that.

The system is build so, how can you get more then 5-6 players in a team when a top player has around 200k salary or even more (250k and +), its not possible...

This is where we hold them!
This Post:
11
312180.60 in reply to 312180.59
Date: 10/30/2021 6:10:44 AM
Kitakyushu
ASL
Overall Posts Rated:
12341234
I agree. It would kill the game and probably make managers think twice about buying the supporter feature.
Just improve the stamina. Maybe make it to where a player has to take a two minute break to get his stamina back to full. And stamina drops faster after 8 minutes of straight play.

This Post:
00
312180.61 in reply to 312180.60
Date: 10/30/2021 10:43:04 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
305305
There was no such a problem before the psychologist was introduced.

From: 0verW1ng

This Post:
00
312180.64 in reply to 312180.63
Date: 11/19/2021 5:55:23 AM
BC "EDI"
LBBL
Overall Posts Rated:
287287
Second Team:
Actually a great training facility
In lithuanian discord we noticed a LOT of injuries compared to before.

It used to be an overpowered one-way road to victory, now there's risk in it, me gusta.

Advertisement