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55427.8 in reply to 55427.5
Date: 10/29/2008 10:22:42 AM
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Those seems like great changes, but maybe you can test those changes in the future in PL games as well (on top of the scrimmages)? Or does that sounds unfair for the non supporter teams?
That might give supporter teams who have a great cup run the chance to test the changes as well in their possible PL games.


I think that would be an inherent advantage for Supporters, and probably a no-go.

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55427.9 in reply to 55427.2
Date: 10/29/2008 10:24:01 AM
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(it's 5:15 AM here, so I'm not sure if I'm entirely coherent right now)


I can't believe I'm going to leave this be.

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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55427.10 in reply to 55427.8
Date: 10/29/2008 11:10:47 AM
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Those seems like great changes, but maybe you can test those changes in the future in PL games as well (on top of the scrimmages)? Or does that sounds unfair for the non supporter teams?
That might give supporter teams who have a great cup run the chance to test the changes as well in their possible PL games.


I think that would be an inherent advantage for Supporters, and probably a no-go.


Rolling out new changes to PLs before league games:

Pros

You get more data points on how the changes are working. High-quality data points at that, since PL players are on average more serious users, and so more likely to notice issues.

Although no-one cares about winning or losing in scrimmages, many users care greatly about minutes distribution in scrimmages for training purposes, so treating scrimmages as a testbed for that type of change is problematic. PLs don't have that problem.

Cons

Maybe a slight advantage to supporters adding new features to PL games.

Some users may want PL results to not be potentially affected by potentially buggy new features whereas no-one cares about scrimmage results.



If it was me, I'd roll out the changes to PLs as well. Maybe even before they were rolled out in scrimmages.

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55427.11 in reply to 55427.2
Date: 10/29/2008 12:05:35 PM
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Great changes! Particularly, I strongly agree with you about the imbalanced fast-paced offenses.

I think the change about turnovers is on the good way and some spanish users already suggested that this would be more realistic (having more turnover when playing fast than slow tactics).

But, don't you think that the slowest tacticts (patience and princeton) still have a very low effectiveness?

In my experience (first and second spanish divisions), most of the slow attacks are finished at the very last moment, so I guess the threshold for the players to take a good quality shot is maybe too high.

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55427.13 in reply to 55427.12
Date: 10/29/2008 12:20:19 PM
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Well, the Rijswijker Invitational is to some degree... But why would anyone want to play a PL in the release version of the GE if all other games have to be played in the Beta version? Scrimmages aren't my testing ground, they are just a way to get all of my players over 48minutes each week. In a PL I can really see what changes do, because I always play full throttle...

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55427.14 in reply to 55427.13
Date: 10/29/2008 12:47:07 PM
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same here.
scrimmages are playing only to get trainees 48 minutes.

In PL we all ( in my league at least) use our best players, and try some different tactics that we can use later in play off or in important games during season. so in PL will be easier to implement new engine

vječna dilema, da li je bolje zabiti koš više ili primiti koš manje?
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55427.15 in reply to 55427.2
Date: 10/29/2008 12:54:56 PM
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Those are very interesting changes.
We were watching too many run & gun or look inside where they could reap significant returns without having even a real a PG, especially with the run & gun.

The changes will give much more importance to habilities like the passing and the dribbling, wich gives a strong realistic view to the game. It was very typical to see teams playing without a really competitive point guard, using a repositioned SG or SF (me inclusive). The B3 Masters final was played with 2 SF in a PG role. (8111249)

On the other hand i would increase the value of the defense in the game, i have seen lots of matches where a strong deffense was overcomed by a weaker offense. (8126311)

Or this one, we had a Free Throw win against a NT that has a 52% of FG without wining even the offense that they were playing. (2832)

Keep working, its a great game, a really great game, but more changes are needed!

Regards.


Last edited by LeYeNdiNhA at 10/29/2008 12:56:59 PM

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55427.16 in reply to 55427.12
Date: 10/29/2008 8:33:45 PM
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good stuff all around, and nice to see the tactics being adjusted. Was happy to see every change, and even if minor will be very noticable, especially happening all at once.

shameless recommendation plug: please fix the GE so that tri-skilled big men at SF are much less effective. Watching the Bulls v Bucks game last night (hardly a top of the NBA level matchup), i had forgotten how important outside skills are for even PF's, let alone SF's. A player with 3 great inside skills, with a few 4-7 guard skills is hardly an effective SF. In fact, that's closer to the bare minimum for a PF.

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55427.18 in reply to 55427.16
Date: 10/30/2008 12:08:03 AM
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I'm disappointed in the lack of complaints thus far. Can we please have some less palatable changes for the sake of amusement?

Although, perhaps we need only to wait until implementation for the complaints to commence. That will be good enough I guess.

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