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320335.90 in reply to 320335.89
Date: 11/27/2023 7:32:28 AM
Nitra Corgons
Extraliga
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great pass leads to an uncontested shot (according to GE) then that makes OD irrelevant in that moment?!

I would definately not agree with this statement. There have been various posts about how open shots efficiency is calculated. Could Justin reveal a bit perhaps? As far as i read open shots formula should be connected with team defense rating. You have to calculate your chance to make the shot versus something. Aint you?
Can someone rule me out?

If my point is accurate than OD is more valid than before (on ALL players that come into team defensive rating formula).

My NT team shot 20% more open shots this season to compare against 4 previous seasons average. They were 6% more accurate. Deeper reasearch with much more data would be needed though.

1 BBB, 20 Leagues, 10 Tournaments, 3 Europe Titles (SVK), 2 World Bronzes (SVK), 2 Europe Bronzes (SVK,FRA), 42 Seasons NT coaching
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320335.92 in reply to 320335.90
Date: 11/27/2023 9:13:05 AM
Black Light
NBBA
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Since I was referenced in the original post: my own thinking is that we know that the shot is not defended by any one player.

This is compatible with it being compared to team defense or with being like a free throw.

I think it's perfectly comprehensible how it could be defended by no one -- again it would be like a free throw.

One complication with this proposal is that the rate of success for unguarded jump shots is a lower than FT%.

So we have a couple theories.

T1: the shot is unguarded, and just depends on shot distance but with a formula different from free throw.
T2: the shot is guarded by "team defense" in addition to those variables.

One issue with T2 is that we don't know what "team defense" means (is it some average OD? does it factor all the defensive skills?).

A rough way to test this (maybe it's been already done) would be to compare open shots between a game where the same players are going against different calibers of defense in otherwise similar conditions (same GS, same tactics).

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Date: 11/27/2023 9:25:15 AM
Black Light
NBBA
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Thanks. Having been away from the game for about 9 years, I've missed a bunch of these talks. Is team defense = team OD?

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320335.96 in reply to 320335.90
Date: 11/27/2023 1:43:26 PM
Corntucky Mildcats
III.3
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Winchester Crows
Thanks! I thought it seemed not right. Dig deep on that research! That NT stat is fascinating.

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Date: 11/28/2023 11:55:44 AM
Joruus
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Very interesting. Thank you.

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Date: 11/29/2023 9:43:20 AM
Veyrier Wailers
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Salary coeffs are "expected" to get tweaks at some point. I already started hedging with some trainees. My gut says one more season of data, maybe, before they change anything.




I noticed a salary drop on 126 swiss players this offseason, almost all of them (124/126) are now 19 or 20yo, so maybe we already have some tweaks applied but only on players 20 or younger. The 2 other guys are 25 and 33yo...

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