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From: MrJ

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Date: 3/25/2025 11:50:31 PM
Swan River Serpents
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Hey Coach Faz.

Yes, you send invites in your local time AND you will receive matches in your local time.

You will receive invitations in your local time because your opponent would have sent them in his local time which then converts to your local time.

You have done it correctly.

Home-Grown! For those who like a REAL challenge, visit the Home Grown Kings Thread (327355.1) and the Home Grown Kings Federation (327366.1)
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To: MrJ
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Date: 3/26/2025 5:35:38 AM
Les Gueux du Marais
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Rance BC
Aaaaah I see, thanks for the explanation
My english understanding was not the problem. It was just my understanding

From: demars

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/26/2025 6:01:58 AM
Elan Demars
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Yes, I can access, but not edit. :)

From: MrJ

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Date: 3/26/2025 8:05:27 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Westopian Tigers
Aaaaah I see, thanks for the explanation
My english understanding was not the problem. It was just my understanding



Home-Grown! For those who like a REAL challenge, visit the Home Grown Kings Thread (327355.1) and the Home Grown Kings Federation (327366.1)
From: MrJ

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Date: 3/26/2025 8:06:08 AM
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Yes, I can access, but not edit.


Yeah, good.

Just waiting to hear from Wagner whether he would like me to use it for the HGL or not :-)

Home-Grown! For those who like a REAL challenge, visit the Home Grown Kings Thread (327355.1) and the Home Grown Kings Federation (327366.1)
From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/26/2025 8:20:14 AM
Wagner College
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Another possibility???

This is the program I used to randomise the draw AND it is setup and ready. I was going to use it for myself anyway, but...

...can people access this page? https://playpass.com/x/16-team-basketball-schedule-RZUatii

I have made it available and maybe anyone can edit it now? Not sure. Can some of you test it please.

If so, then I can simply add in the data each week. :D


I am able to view it but not edit it. It looks great though.


Awesome! What do you think, Wagner. I'm happy to input the results each week. Then anyone can click on the results and ladder and view it.

Thank you for your initiative, MrJ. :)
In my current opinion, some kind of league table (that necessarily doesn't have to update as fast, if you would have league table for instance in playpass) could be beneficial to remain also at least on another official HGL thread.

I am not familiar at all with Playpass (and it's functionality). So I'd have lots of questions... for instance:
1. Which and how many attributes can you use to sort teams out on the league table, and can you add any non-typical categories of your choice?
2. Is it easy to apply orders in which teams are organized in the table after each round, in this order; 1. most points, 2. least forfeit losses, 3. winner of the regular season match (probably not possible, I hope I'm wrong though) 4.most wins 5.best point aggregate, etc.? (For instance, point aggregate is practically almost purely cosmetics, and remains there for familiarity and for statistical reasons mainly).
3. Also, can you define exact point for wins, losses, etc. as we use system here where you are also awarded a point for a loss (and 0 points for a forfeit loss)? As of right now I don't see points at all on the table... I think having control over these aspects would be important, in order to be able to implement a planned point awarding system.
4. Can you edit table so that forfeit loss actually automatically shows up in a league table (or can you do it manually by adding any number to a team forfeit amounts on league table), and takes that into account when organizing teams in order from best to worst after each round?
Or does that 0-50 loss show as a regular loss, without a chance to add number (that negatively affects team position through less points - 0 instead of 1 for normal loss - and through being rated lower team if other team has same amount of wins and less forfeit losses) manually or automatically to the league table?
(I mean for instance in Excel you can create a rule where least forfeits is better, and while you have to remember to add number to the league table manually, it works when you do remember to do so. In this case I wonder if 0-50 forfeit loss is just that, and you can't take that into account in a league table?).

It does, of course, look more stylish than the table done with BB text editor - what a shocker. ;D
However, I hope it's also possible to add for instance above categories/functionality (and also rate teams by "least" of something instead of only "most", when arranging teams) to the league table.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/26/2025 8:25:53 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 3/26/2025 9:04:16 AM
Wagner College
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I would actually have good news, in terms of being able to verify HGL matches having been organized on time and correctly for whole regular season (and partly this helps in playoffs as well, to smooth organizing process).

I found out it's possible to send match box score links to scores thread already beforehand. But please don't quite yet proceed doing so - I will first update my instructions on HGL Scores thread andwrite and informative post about it here and it would be best for each team to include all their regular season match box scores links in one post anyway to avoid this serious overcrowding of HGL Scores thread (which they would then update during the season).

I don't know if MrJ's Playpass gives an easy way to "print out" a schedule for each team (and not just a schedule for whole league)? If so, then it would be easy to copy-paste that into the forum team by team, and each team would copy-paste it into a post they have written, so that control over that post would remain in their hands for the whole season, and then they could send all box score links to that post of theirs before the season starts (and then I would copy those links from these 16 posts by 16 managers to the official match schedule).

So keep tuned, I don't have time to do all of this right now at this very moment, but I will update something to this HGL Scores thread (again, proceed with this process only after when you see a new informative post from me, thanks)!

Last edited by Wagner at 3/26/2025 9:05:03 AM

From: MrJ

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Date: 3/27/2025 1:45:27 AM
Swan River Serpents
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Second Team:
Westopian Tigers

Another possibility???

This is the program I used to randomise the draw AND it is setup and ready. I was going to use it for myself anyway, but...

...can people access this page? (https://playpass.com/x/16-team-basketball-schedule-RZUatii)

I have made it available and maybe anyone can edit it now? Not sure. Can some of you test it please.

If so, then I can simply add in the data each week.


I am able to view it but not edit it. It looks great though.


Awesome! What do you think, Wagner. I'm happy to input the results each week. Then anyone can click on the results and ladder and view it.

Thank you for your initiative, MrJ.
In my current opinion, some kind of league table (that necessarily doesn't have to update as fast, if you would have league table for instance in playpass) could be beneficial to remain also at least on another official HGL thread.

I am not familiar at all with Playpass (and it's functionality). So I'd have lots of questions... for instance:
1. Which and how many attributes can you use to sort teams out on the league table, and can you add any non-typical categories of your choice?
2. Is it easy to apply orders in which teams are organized in the table after each round, in this order; 1. most points, 2. least forfeit losses, 3. winner of the regular season match (probably not possible, I hope I'm wrong though) 4.most wins 5.best point aggregate, etc.? (For instance, point aggregate is practically almost purely cosmetics, and remains there for familiarity and for statistical reasons mainly).
3. Also, can you define exact point for wins, losses, etc. as we use system here where you are also awarded a point for a loss (and 0 points for a forfeit loss)? As of right now I don't see points at all on the table... I think having control over these aspects would be important, in order to be able to implement a planned point awarding system.
4. Can you edit table so that forfeit loss actually automatically shows up in a league table (or can you do it manually by adding any number to a team forfeit amounts on league table), and takes that into account when organizing teams in order from best to worst after each round?
Or does that 0-50 loss show as a regular loss, without a chance to add number (that negatively affects team position through less points - 0 instead of 1 for normal loss - and through being rated lower team if other team has same amount of wins and less forfeit losses) manually or automatically to the league table?
(I mean for instance in Excel you can create a rule where least forfeits is better, and while you have to remember to add number to the league table manually, it works when you do remember to do so. In this case I wonder if 0-50 forfeit loss is just that, and you can't take that into account in a league table?).

It does, of course, look more stylish than the table done with BB text editor - what a shocker. ;D
However, I hope it's also possible to add for instance above categories/functionality (and also rate teams by "least" of something instead of only "most", when arranging teams) to the league table.


I didn't think it was that complicated; I was trying to offer a simple visual ladder everyone can access easily.

Home-Grown! For those who like a REAL challenge, visit the Home Grown Kings Thread (327355.1) and the Home Grown Kings Federation (327366.1)
From: demars
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Date: 3/27/2025 1:48:41 PM
Elan Demars
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I was just thinking that this week-end n in the night of Saturday/Sunday, EU will change its time :D
It happens for France and many others, but I'm not sure that EVERY countries do the change...

From: Hadár

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Date: 3/27/2025 2:46:08 PM
Svätý Jur Snakers
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That's OK. Everyone will still play at the same time.

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 3/28/2025 8:12:50 AM
Wagner College
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I didn't think it was that complicated; I was trying to offer a simple visual ladder everyone can access easily.

That information has been there below the league table for quite some time now. :) Handling all this communication through forums (as opposed to dedicate website, for instance) during development stage of the HGL is unhandy to such extent, that with this order that I have created on official HGL threads, I have no easy way to announce all small additions/changes to rules, so that they would be easily visible.
(Remember, 'announcement' sections have no characters left to add, and as there's a major announcement available, I don't want to mix things up by adding something to that same post anyway). Now that I think of it, I could've written a post about such changes these official threads, and maybe will do so in the future (after some addition/change), but I've prioritized getting things done instead. And if I had done it by sending post to Homegrown teams II-thread, it would've probably drowned to the flood of posts anyway.

But as for my questions above (about Playpass), does it allow all or any of those possibilities, or only win-loss (winning-% based league table with no additional categories with possibility to give values to different aspects (such as, for instance win x points, forfeit -x points, etc.)? Replying to my questions (1.-5.) would give me better idea what's the level of functionality of Playpass.
If points allocated can't be changed (if you can't tell Playpass how many points you want to have awarded for a win, loss, draw, etc.), as long as there's not an error in my thinking here, we could also theoretically use point system in where a winner would receive 1 point, loser 0 points, and for forfeit -1 point. That would, of course, still require usage of a league table that uses points as a primary comparison method instead of wins, or possibility to add a category (forfeits) to league table that is taken account when arranging teams to correct order. Naturally, as long as forfeits wouldn't exist, that kind of 1 point for win, 0 points for losses league table should reflect the same league situation as the league table kept by me (unless of course I use my original plan, with 2, 1 and occasionally 0 points awarded per match).

And as I asked earlier, is it easy to "print out" each individual teams' schedule for the season, instead of full schedule? If not, this is still doable (by each team individually), things aren't just going to look as neat, structured and standardized in their posts.

Point of "complicated" (personally I don't see it as complicated) here is to discourage forfeits strongly. As far as I know, similar point system is used in Finnish highest level basketball league, Korisliiga, to penalize teams who commit forfeits (that in real league, of course, hardly ever happen).
Now that we will send all match box score links to scores thread before season starts, it will eliminate the possibility of matches not being played and forfeits due to that - forfeits due to other violations, such as playing wrong players or too small of a roster of course remain; but please do not start sending those links just yet as I will first write an informative post about it here.


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