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What time will HGL matches be played?

This is the million-dollar question as any time chosen will be favourable to some and frustrating to others.

Wagner? I know you want a set time, but how will you choose it given the numerous time-zones to contend with?

It is a question without a perfect answer as it's always a compromise of some sort. However, I'd like to remind that not even apparently suitable/optimal time (such as afternoon) isn't necessarily optimal for a given manager, as we all have different life situations, rhytms, and so on.
I also still think that benefits of applying a fixed time for match outweighs the negatives. It is also a case, that we could apply this rule for fixed times for Season 1 at least, and consider during the season if we should abandon it or not.

While not one time will be perfect for all, one of the things to consider when considering fixed time is the location and amount of teams in a location. If I got it right, this is the breakdown of HGL.
USA and South America: 3+2=5 teams
Australia: 2 teams
Europe: 9 teams.
As you can see, over 56% of teams are located in Europe within 2 time zones, and rest are scattered throughout the world.

For most countries it is easy to say in which time zone manager resides (for example I'm in a time zone EET, which is GMT+2 during Standard Time, not Daylight Savings Time).
For countries such as USA and Australia (total of 5 managers) we would have to ask those managers in which time zone they reside in order to be able to create a proper standard for them. If needed, I or someone else can send them BBMail about it?

In the next post I will provide a simple breakdown on time zones, based on (hopefully) reliable information, please correct if I'm wrong.

So, here is a quick breakdown of time zones of teams participating in HGL, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I intend to use "normal time" in this, and not Daylight Savings Time, DST.

In a list first number is how team relates to Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) and second number is how it relates to Eastern European Time, EET, which is the key here as it's used as a reference point in seeing how changes in official match time will affect all, and when matches start local time.

For example I'm in Finland in a time zone EET, which is GMT+2 (during Standard Time, not Daylight Savings Time). Therefore my marking in the table is +2/0. So in order to determine actual starting time in your country, you just reduce or add the second number (in the case of Les Gueux du Marais for instance number would be -1) from the starting time that is the official start time of HGL matches Eastern European Time, EET.

But as you see, these starting times have already counted for your convenience - however, I'd ask to let me know if some faults are being spotted in the table below (in terms of numbers and times before team names).

GMT+2/0=02.30PM Wagner College ||FIN|| (172501) WAG ||FIN|| $K Manager: Wagner
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM Les Gueux du Marais (86508) LGM ||FRA|| $K Manager: Coach Faz
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM Elan Demars (87312) ED ||FRA|| $K Manager: demars
GMT-5/-7=07.30AM Holy City Hoopers (23767) HCH ||USA|| $K Manager: Gccsteel
GMT-5/-7=07.30AM Buckner Bandits (23579) BUC ||USA|| $K Manager: T-Lit
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM Madrid Chotis (76877) (D) ||SPA|| $K Manager: Jotadoce
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM WiMaOlca (35977) WMO ||FRA|| $K Manager: WiMaOl
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM Rajdersi (237760) RAJ ||POL|| $K Manager: Paul George
GMT-3/-5=09.30AM Santa Eufemia Ducks (24340) SED ||ARG|| $K Manager: GM-Enzo
GMT+8/+6=08.30PM Swan River Serpents (197075) SRS ||AUS|| $K Manager: MrJ
GMT+2/0=02.30PM Lielupes Melnas Sirdis (146915) LMS ||LVA|| $K Manager: Moneta
GMT+2/0=02.30PM Suuret Muinaiset (172657) SUM ||FIN|| $K Manager: cthulhu
GMT+10/+8=10.30PM Heywood Big Dogs (196315) HEY ||AUS|| $K Manager: Deano25
GMT+1/-1=01.30PM Svätý Jur Snakers (172088) HAD ||SVK|| $K Manager: Hadar
GMT-5/-7=07.30AM Big Chillers (31968) BIG ||USA|| $K Manager: BigChill
GMT-3/-5=09.30AM Trouville BBC (115547) TRO ||URY|| $K Manager: Chucarro

For countries residing over multiple time zones, I've contacted managers in question to find our actual time zones where their team resides (and not made any guesses).


(Rest of the post was written earlier and isn't especially meaningful anymore at this point, but it is left here as a future reference):
For teams in USA I believe numbers would range from GMT-5 to GMT -8, and later reference numbers from -7 to -10.

For teams in Australia on the other hand, same numbers should be from GMT+8 to GMT+10, and reference numbers can vary from +6 to +8, if I am not mistaken.


Last edited by Wagner at 3/19/2025 9:21:34 PM

@MrJ:
I accidentally replied to my own post to you, and while it is beneficial that others also reply to this question, it was intended for you in the first place. It helps me understand how BB matches show up in schedule:

In addition to question on the quote above, I have another question as well.
In what time this match actually took place (your time)? (133714147) For me it shows up as 18.3.2025 10AM.

The match above is your own match against Mighty Woefuls.

In addition to that, as I mentioned earlier, for me all your official BB league matches in your team schedule this season seem to have started 10AM. Is this really the case in Australia, that they start in the morning? In Finland the regular time is usually 16.30, or 4.30PM.

On the other hand if we still assume schedule shows to me the local time when match has been played, and convert your match start times with the logic of what I just wrote that when Finland is GMT+2 and Australia from GMT +8 to +10, then matches would start in Australia 10AM minus 6 or 8 hours, so at 2AM or at 4AM, which wouldn't make any sense.

So maybe I could conclude, that matches start in Australia (where you MrJ are located at least) 4PM, and for some reason to me BB shows in your schedule in my local, Eastern European time, when match has been actually played. Can you confirm your BB league matches start at 4PM in the afternoon, and are you located in Western parts of Australia, on GMT+8 time zone?

@MrJ:
I accidentally replied to my own post to you, and while it is beneficial that others also reply to this question, it was intended for you in the first place. It helps me understand how BB matches show up in schedule:

In addition to question on the quote above, I have another question as well.
In what time this match actually took place (your time)? (133714147) For me it shows up as 18.3.2025 10AM.

The match above is your own match against Mighty Woefuls.

In addition to that, as I mentioned earlier, for me all your official BB league matches in your team schedule this season seem to have started 10AM. Is this really the case in Australia, that they start in the morning? In Finland the regular time is usually 16.30, or 4.30PM.

On the other hand if we still assume schedule shows to me the local time when match has been played, and convert your match start times with the logic of what I just wrote that when Finland is GMT+2 and Australia from GMT +8 to +10, then matches would start in Australia 10AM minus 6 or 8 hours, so at 2AM or at 4AM, which wouldn't make any sense.

So maybe I could conclude, that matches start in Australia (where you MrJ are located at least) 4PM, and for some reason to me BB shows in your schedule in my local, Eastern European time, when match has been actually played. Can you confirm your BB league matches start at 4PM in the afternoon, and are you located in Western parts of Australia, on GMT+8 time zone?

No, we started at 4pm.

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

I do recall that from our PU games.
(But how does all those 3 PU matches from yesterday show up in your schedule time wise? For me they show up in local time, 15.00, 16.00 and 18.00. I'm not sure if this is exactly useful piece of information now that I think of it again, as I couldn't compare our views in PU matches as I don't see them at all in your calendar).

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example B))

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) B) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/19/2025 8:06:58 AM

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

I do recall that from our PU games.
(But how does all those 3 PU matches from yesterday show up in your schedule time wise? For me they show up in local time, 15.00, 16.00 and 18.00. I'm not sure if this is exactly useful piece of information now that I think of it again, as I couldn't compare our views in PU matches as I don't see them at all in your calendar).

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example)

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

9pm, 10pm and 12pm. Like I said...you are 6 hours ahead.

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example B))

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) B) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

9pm, 10pm and 12pm. Like I said...you are 6 hours ahead.

Yes... So I guess the whole thought pattern I presented didn't include errors, and C) would be the case, in the case it would be necessary to gather some 'evidence' in terms of match start times (as we are talking about 'non-visible' PU matches here).

I know your lack of trust is the reason why you think we have to have a set time, Wagner, but I really think it is going to be much easier if we don't have a time, OR, you just pick a random time and we use it. It has to be one or the other. It is going to be extremely laborious to get every team's time difference in relation to every other team's time difference.

Although you didn't elaborate on the need for a fixed time, I can read between the lines. And, I know you won't like me saying this, however, again, open trust should be our initial philosophy.

Yet, having said that (knowing you will again disagree with me)...as Commissioner, just pick a random time and that is what everyone will use. Easy. Done.

So as I wrote earlier:

For countries such as USA and Australia (total of 5 managers) we would have to ask those managers in which time zone they reside in order to be able to create a proper standard for them. If needed, I or someone else can send them BBMail about it?

I guess only way to find out quickly is to ask each 4 remaining managers (unless you already know about deano25 location and are sure he's fine with you disclosing such information, in which case 3 managers left) what's their location, time zone wise. Maybe I should BBMail them now, unless they happen to appear in forum quickly and respond to the time zone question here?

Last edited by Wagner at 3/19/2025 8:23:11 AM