BuzzerBeater Forums

No, we started at 4pm.

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

I do recall that from our PU games.
(But how does all those 3 PU matches from yesterday show up in your schedule time wise? For me they show up in local time, 15.00, 16.00 and 18.00. I'm not sure if this is exactly useful piece of information now that I think of it again, as I couldn't compare our views in PU matches as I don't see them at all in your calendar).

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example B))

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) B) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/19/2025 8:06:58 AM

Yes, 4pm in the afternoon. Yes, in Western Australia. Yes, GMT +8.

If you recall from our PU games last night, my time was 6 hours ahead of your time.

I do recall that from our PU games.
(But how does all those 3 PU matches from yesterday show up in your schedule time wise? For me they show up in local time, 15.00, 16.00 and 18.00. I'm not sure if this is exactly useful piece of information now that I think of it again, as I couldn't compare our views in PU matches as I don't see them at all in your calendar).

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example)

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

9pm, 10pm and 12pm. Like I said...you are 6 hours ahead.

So in that case, if this same principle is applied to PU matches as well (and not depending on who is doing the actual challenging??) in addition to regular BB league matches, we could probably conclude that:
A) if the match would've taken place, say 4PM Finnish time (EET), then match would've started 10PM in your location, so
B) it would show up to me as 4PM if I would be able to see it directly from your schedule, but
C) as I can't see that (or any other PU match whatsoever) in your schedule, if you'd theoretically provide a screenshot of your schedule (for instance to 'prove' match has taken place in correct time), then I'd see in the schedule a time, which would be the actual time your local time when match took place, and not my local time (as in example B))

If you can answer to the first question of this post, then I guess we can conclude which is the case, A) B) or C), or rather if the logic I presented includes any thought errors.

9pm, 10pm and 12pm. Like I said...you are 6 hours ahead.

Yes... So I guess the whole thought pattern I presented didn't include errors, and C) would be the case, in the case it would be necessary to gather some 'evidence' in terms of match start times (as we are talking about 'non-visible' PU matches here).

I know your lack of trust is the reason why you think we have to have a set time, Wagner, but I really think it is going to be much easier if we don't have a time, OR, you just pick a random time and we use it. It has to be one or the other. It is going to be extremely laborious to get every team's time difference in relation to every other team's time difference.

Although you didn't elaborate on the need for a fixed time, I can read between the lines. And, I know you won't like me saying this, however, again, open trust should be our initial philosophy.

Yet, having said that (knowing you will again disagree with me)...as Commissioner, just pick a random time and that is what everyone will use. Easy. Done.

So as I wrote earlier:

For countries such as USA and Australia (total of 5 managers) we would have to ask those managers in which time zone they reside in order to be able to create a proper standard for them. If needed, I or someone else can send them BBMail about it?

I guess only way to find out quickly is to ask each 4 remaining managers (unless you already know about deano25 location and are sure he's fine with you disclosing such information, in which case 3 managers left) what's their location, time zone wise. Maybe I should BBMail them now, unless they happen to appear in forum quickly and respond to the time zone question here?

Last edited by Wagner at 3/19/2025 8:23:11 AM

I don't recall Deano's state in Australia. We would have to ask.

Sorry to interrupt, but I don’t think the match time is very relevant. Since the matches are likely during the week, many of us, even if they are at a good time, might not be able to watch them due to commitments (work, study, etc.), so I would suggest setting a random time

Last edited by Chucarro at 3/19/2025 8:56:01 AM

Sorry to interrupt, but I don’t think the match time is very relevant. Since the matches are likely during the week, many of us, even if they are at a good time, might not be able to watch them due to commitments (work, study, etc.), so I would suggest setting a random time

I agree, Chucarro.

Wagner disagrees.

As Commissioner, we will accept his decision in the end. I am just concerned at this point, with limited time left before the start of the new season and our HGL, that he is doing too much unnecessary work on this.

I know your lack of trust is the reason why you think we have to have a set time, Wagner, but I really think it is going to be much easier if we don't have a time, OR, you just pick a random time and we use it. It has to be one or the other. It is going to be extremely laborious to get every team's time difference in relation to every other team's time difference.

Benefit of using a fixed time, that doesn't exceed the actual date boundaries in any part of our participating countries (if it would be 3PM EET, then for you it would be 9PM your local time, and for deano25 it couldn't be later than 11PM so match would still take place on Monday), is also finishing the match almost at the same time.
This, at least theoretically, has multiple benefits in addition to one key reason, which has been mentioned earlier, also by you in this message.

Benefit of matches ending same time have been discussed in previous messages, but include:
- you don't see match results from the same round of play before your match even starts
- creates a standard for the league
- minimizes the chance to re-match
- theoretically results are quicker available; possibly quicker updating of league table.
Otherwise there could be huge difference on when matches are actually completed.
Example: team in West coast USA chooses to play at 12.05AM on Monday, vs. team in Eastern Australia decides to schedule the game for Monday starting at 23.55PM. So that's already 23h 50min due to decided difference in starting times, PLUS difference of GMT-8 and GMT-10, which is 18 hours, so in total difference in starting times could be around 42 hours if I calculated correctly!

Even if we would use designated local time, difference in starting times could be as huge as 16-18 hours between the teams. So these things presented should make it obvious, what are the benefits of a standard/designated match time.

Although you didn't elaborate on the need for a fixed time, I can read between the lines. And, I know you won't like me saying this, however, again, open trust should be our initial philosophy.

I'm also reading between the lines here. With due all respect, I'm not always sure why it is necessary to dislike some system in large parts due to having built the way that it minimizes unwanted behavior? I may not know what all reasons for dislike would be (and I don't even need to know them), but it's just my two cents.

Does having locks in doors either prevent all burglaries, or on the other hand make one a burglar because they now feel that they are not being trusted by their neighbors/random people? Neither, I think, but practice of having locks on doors serves some purpose, that falls into the middle ground in that sense. I guess all of us have come accustomed to some rules in society, and if we would see them only as 'an open statement of distrust', I'm not sure we could even live within our respective countries.

I assure you, there will be million ways left how you can sabotage this league and f* things up for many of us if that's what you want to do, so it will be still very, very much reliant on trust no matter what kind of rule/penalty set I will present before the regular season launches.

Does that mean it's better to throw all rules and penalties to the bin? I don't think so. Does it mean rules/penalties for the Season 1 need to be refined later? Most likely, but that's not the worry we have right now on our hands.

Yet, having said that (knowing you will again disagree with me)...as Commissioner, just pick a random time and that is what everyone will use. Easy. Done. :D

Alright, I'll try to think some time based on many factors. Most participants are from Europe, so it might be sensible to use that as a "middle point" or "reference" when creating fixed time, and assume that "typical BB afternoon match time" would be ideal (which it necessarily isn't) for teams.